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Tuesday, January 29, 2013

BIG NEWS: Watchtower admits they were wrong in January 2013 Watchtower magazine.

I am shocked that this isn't getting more publicity, but I would strongly encourage people to spread this news. In the January 1, 2013 edition of the Watchtower Magazine, the official publication of the Jehovah's Witnesses, they said this in one of their lead articles:

8 comments:

Danny Haszard said...

Anyone that questions the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses will be labeled an "opposer" and a heretic or apostate by the members.

Then the extreme shunning and isolation of that person will follow. Even family members will refuse to speak to the person. Some have even committed suicide as a result. --
Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

Trebor135 said...

Well, it's time for the missionaries targeting the Jehovah's Witnesses to start coming out of the woodwork.

Millions of neo-Arians being brought into the Orthodox Church is a very attractive idea to me. Hmm...

Lord have mercy!

Trebor135 said...

Hi Danny--you wrote:

"Then the extreme shunning and isolation of that person will follow. Even family members will refuse to speak to the person. Some have even committed suicide as a result."

Chilling. I expect, however, that an appeal might be made to Titus 1--

[10] As for a man who is factious, after admonishing him once or twice, have nothing more to do with him,
[11] knowing that such a person is perverted and sinful; he is self-condemned.

--to justify shunning.

What's the humane way to interpret and implement this passage...?

Adam Hovey said...

JWs get their dates wrong all the time. No surprise there. Thanks for defending the TRUE faith

Your_Word Is_Truth said...

I really don't want to be picky here but I am going to. It struck me that the author of this website did not read and understand what the Watchtower actually said. After quoting from that magazine the author said (ALL CAPITALS MINE of emphasis)


“Why would they admit they got PREDICTIONS wrong? “

The article said nothing at all about predictions, it used the wording

“have had WRONG EXPECTATIONS “

There is a clear difference between a prediction and an explanation.

the WTS (JWs) never predicted anything they just gave their understanding (explanations) on what some Bible prophecy was all about. They even tell why they have had such underthings the article said

“Because we take seriously Jesus’ words: “Keep looking, keep awake.” The alternative, to be found “sleeping” by Jesus, would prevent us from gaining his favor. “

Sean Killackey said...

Your_Word_is_truth, that isn't so. That they interpreted Scripture doesn't mean they didn't their by also make predictions, predictions they claim guidance from God on - Indeed, just as often, they attribute specific books or claims or predictions to God, not just claiming to be guided in general. Does this rise to the level of false prophecy? I think so. If not, it is more than mere imprudence, and in any event shows their organization to have no ability to interpret prophecy. In which case, there I and reason to accept their present predictions and prophetic inteptetaions, including those that they claim show God has established them as their sole spokesman.


To be fair, they sometimes, indeed often, speak of these predictions and prophetic interpretations as being but sincere conjecture, but quite often speak differently. In short, they're talking out of both sides of their mouth, they want their cake and to eat it too.

See: https://tobeholdthyface.blogspot.com/2017/12/no-loopholes-allowed.html and the following two posts (where I produce numerous quotations from their literature).

Your_Word Is_Truth said...

Sean,
The GB have never prophecied anything. Have they made mistakes. Of course they have. Even the disciples in the first century made mistakes. They changed their minds on some teaching, there is even a case of what, using your terminology was a false prophecy. It wasn't in reality as it was more a misunderstanding of what Jesus said, but a saying went out to all the people that something was going to happen and it never did.

No, the WTS has never prophesied anything at all. They have offered explanations of Bible prophecy that have been incorrect.

Here are a few you-tube videos to watch that cover that subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOOia8dHTGA false alarm effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTRE0jLGBz8 are JWs prophets

And there are a few more at that site

Sean Killackey said...

If I have time beyond work and my usual studies, I'll take a look at these. Judging by the description of one video, I suspect that they'll try to equate what Witness leaders have done with what some disciples did when they mistakenly thought St. John wouldn't die. (If you look at the specifics of what Witness leaders have said, I don't think you can pull this supposed parallel off.)