tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post921770446771586248..comments2024-03-15T09:07:15.798-07:00Comments on NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: Greek Expert Daniel Wallace on Romans 5:12ffNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-42075250117468150702020-04-05T05:07:20.640-07:002020-04-05T05:07:20.640-07:00Nick - One of Wallace's students did a very st...Nick - One of Wallace's students did a very straightforward paper (link below) concerning Paul wrestling with "I" in Romans Chapter 7 that's an extension of what you didn't include here in the bigger picture of Paul's entire letter I believe. (sanctification - justification). The paper examines Paul's own explanation of his state post-conversion (still challenged, but never giving up) reconciled, forensically righteous, yet "human" as all regenerate humans, challenged by the flesh, drawing on Paul's use of the Greek - fallen/under Law (aorist tense (at that time) vs Paul's present/active tense - justified by Christ). The author also compares Paul's use of sanctification as a lifetime process to both Roman Catholicism and Wesleyan doctrine. Worth a read. Peace.<br /><br /><br />https://taarcheia.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/romans-7-7-25-and-the-doctrine-of-sanctification.pdfPete F.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-64904818250342470432020-04-05T04:45:35.583-07:002020-04-05T04:45:35.583-07:00Hi Nick -
To key on one verse/pericope as you did ...Hi Nick -<br />To key on one verse/pericope as you did is a bit of ISOGETIC "proof texting (reading into scripture) I think (former Catholic of 50 yrs) and putting your thesis (based on Wallace) in the realm of "out of context" of Wallace's whole section. You neglected to consider the whole of Wallace's description (below...pls pardon the cut and paste not translating the Greek correctly). Regardless of our disagreement, God bless you, as my Brother in Christ. <br /><br /><br />"...In 5:12-21 Paul moves beyond the legal issue of justification. What is essential to get here is that imputed righteousness addresses the condemnation of the law while imparted righteousness addresses the inability of the flesh. That is to say, justification is forensic, stating emphatically that our position before God is one of righteousness. But justification, like the Law, can do nothing against the flesh. That is why Paul now turns to imparted righteousness and gives the basis as our union with Christ. Our union with Christ is more than forensic; it is organic. 14 As Adam was our representative in sin, bringing death to all (5:12), so also Christ is our representative in righteousness, bringing life to all (5:18). 15<br />Since believers are in Christ—and therefore they are assured of their salvation, why should they not continue sinning? Paul answers this in the second portion of this section (6:1-23). First, they should not continue (ejpimevnwmen) in sin because of their union with Christ—union in his death and his life (6:1-14). Second, they should not sin at all (aJmarthvswmen) because such an act leads to enslavement to sin (6:15-23). This is especially heinous because our release from sin’s slavery means redemption for the service of God (6:22), since we have been bought with a price.<br />Having established the reasons why we should not sin, Paul now turns to the issue of how not to sin (7:1–8:17). Negatively, neither our flesh nor the Law can do anything for us in this endeavor (7:1-25). Positively, we are sanctified through the ministry of the Spirit (8:1-17).Pete Fairnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-77988391153445986782014-04-24T02:25:12.974-07:002014-04-24T02:25:12.974-07:00I believe it because free sample term paper you wi...I believe it because free sample term paper <a href="http://bestsamplepapers.com/" rel="nofollow">you will find here</a> don't lack practice in completing assignments for my class-mates and college friends. It seems, tertiary education students will soon be able to do not only some facile exercise but go through gradually planned research on the given topic for their universities.Headsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-16416830597853675962011-05-01T18:35:49.176-07:002011-05-01T18:35:49.176-07:00Nick
Very good post. I am a protestant and have be...Nick<br />Very good post. I am a protestant and have been working through the issue of justification for sometime now, working through whatever catholic and protestant works i can get my hands on. <br /><br />The post was interesting in that i never knew there were protestants who took anything before romans 6 as justification. But i have found if you compare romans 5:12-21 to romans 6 there are great similarties in terms such as righteousness, life etc. The protestant response is rom 6:1 has to be a shift to sanctification because of Pauls rethorcal question that up to this point people would think he was an antinominan hence he taught faith alone.<br /><br />I had a question if you could give me an answer from the catholic perspective. In texts like rom 3:27; eph 2:9 1cor 1:29-31 paul excludes boasting from justification, doesnt this seem to suggest that any works whatsoever would lead to boasting? Similarly gal 2:21 paul states if righteousness came from works of law Christ died in vain. It seems it would deafeat pauls argument to say he is only excluding certain jewish works and not all works. Just wondering your thoughts. my email is joelsexton1984@yahoo.ca<br />thanks JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com