tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post8673840622920826144..comments2024-03-15T09:07:15.798-07:00Comments on NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: Does suffering mean you're being punished by God? (Isaiah 53 & Romans 3:25) - More problems with Penal SubstitutionNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-2088693209504487872019-07-14T09:13:32.115-07:002019-07-14T09:13:32.115-07:00More details on the original quote:
//////////24...More details on the original quote: <br /><br />//////////24 When the king’s advisors saw that he [Eleazar] remained confident in the face of torture, the guards carried him to the fire. 25 They burned his body with diabolical devices. 26 Eleazar was now burned down to his bones and on the edge of death. He raised his eyes toward God and said, 27 “God, you know that I could have saved myself; instead, I am being burned and tortured to death for the sake of your Law. 28 Have mercy on your people. Make our punishment sufficient for their sake. 29 Purify them with my blood, and take my life in exchange for theirs.” 30 When he said this, the holy man died with dignity from the torture. By thinking clearly, he resisted even while facing the pains of death for the sake of the Law./////////// <br /><br />The Apostles had to have had this story in mind when meditating upon the Passion of Our Lord. The parallels are too striking.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-16005213780526492342018-06-09T05:58:13.812-07:002018-06-09T05:58:13.812-07:00Nick, Hi
I'm a protestant (ha ha!) so I don...Nick, Hi<br />I'm a protestant (ha ha!) so I don't go along with all your content, but I am one who rejects Penal Substitution and I really like your battle on that front. However, in this article I notice that you have played into their hands a bit. You've assumed: <br />1) 'propitiation' to be a greek word (it's not - it's english!). The greek is 'hilasterion'.<br />2) that turning aside God's wrath is legitimate interpretation of hilasterion. It's not. Hilasterion refers to the mercy seat (the cover of the ark). It has nothing to do with having to calm God's wrath. It was where God spoke to his people. Even when he wasn't angry! ;-)<br />3) propitiation is a term that has no right being in the bible. It is a pagan word, from way before Christ, that assumes a deity is angry with men and must be appeased by some kind of sacrifice. It relates to Molech, not Yahweh. It is appalling that the translators ever thought it appropriate to translate 'mercy seat' as 'appeasing an angry deity through sacrifice'.<br />4) It is clear that God has always forgiven without requiring sacrifice. Romans 3:25 is really saying that God 'covered over' sin in the past, and that he's doing it again today via Christ the mercy seat. Nothing to do with 'paying for sins previously left unpunished' as PSA would have it.<br />Hope that helps!<br />keep up the exploration - there's so much to unpick in this abominable theory.wendynoreply@blogger.com