tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post7802006066901626166..comments2024-03-15T09:07:15.798-07:00Comments on NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: A "word of wisdom" from & for the MormonsNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-67478772910408401912012-11-11T22:02:06.314-08:002012-11-11T22:02:06.314-08:00There was a lot of Jewish influence on early Mormo...There was a lot of Jewish influence on early Mormonism from the Jewish Kabbalah. Alexander Neibaur, a Jewish convert to Mormonism, was very close to Joe Smith during the last years of Nauvoo. This article goes into great detail about Neibaur's kabbalistic knowledge and it's influence on Smith http://www.gnosis.org/jskabb3.htm So Steve Martin's description of Mormon's as "Protestantized Jews" is on target.Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-68839966312821479022012-11-11T14:01:19.760-08:002012-11-11T14:01:19.760-08:00Hello LittleMa,
I've heard it on reliable so...Hello LittleMa, <br /><br />I've heard it on reliable sources that the Word of Wisdom is pushed very much in Mormonism, and no good Mormon would dare say it's just good advice that's optional. I dare any Mormon to go to their congregation with a coffee and say "I'm just having this one drink, and since I'm not addicted and the Word of Wisdom is optional then I don't see anything wrong". I did a simple search for "coffee" on the lds webpage and the resulting articles showed it was something strongly shunned. <br /><br />The issue of meat though is the main sticking point, since I know of no Mormon who follows this. The revelation says 'sparingly' and only in times of winter/famine. There is no way to spin this to allow the levels of meat consumptions Mormons intake. <br /><br />And if the Word of Wisdom was simply restricted to science/technology of the time (e.g. ways to keep food preserved), then this means the WoW is actually outdated and should not be a guide at all. At best, a new WoW should have been introduced by now. Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-87802602667447354612012-11-11T07:30:54.358-08:002012-11-11T07:30:54.358-08:00Our Lord said that, "It is not what goes into...Our Lord said that, "It is not what goes into a man's mouth that defiles him, but what comes out."<br /><br />"All things are lawful. But not all things are profitable."<br /><br />Mormons are merely Protestantized Jews. Looking to what they do, or don't do, to make them acceptable in God's eyes. "They have a zeal for God but lack understanding."<br /><br />Thanks.Steve Martinhttp://theoldadam.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-29899597812044083462012-11-09T14:14:16.727-08:002012-11-09T14:14:16.727-08:00I am a Mormon. I'm not an expert. I'd just...I am a Mormon. I'm not an expert. I'd just like to answer a few of your questions. First off, the Word of Wisdom was given as revelation, but "not by commandment or restraint" (v2). Members are free to choose for themselves how well they will live any of God's commands or advice, just like everyone else I know.<br />Mormons believe in continuing revelation, so the specific guideline of no coffee or tea was presented at a later date. That's also why water eventually replaced wine, and why no alcohol is allowed, even though in 1830 there were exceptions. <br />There is not an official injunction against caffeine. Many mormons simply know that caffeine affects the body negatively, and choose not to partake of it in large doses, like in a caffeinated soda. No one forbids chocolate.<br />Also, eating things "in season" simply means eating them while they are fresh and nutritious to eat, rather than old and spoiled. Back in the day, that usually meant eating the bulk of them when they were harvested, but today's preservation options, including canning, freezing, and drying, make it possible to eat nutritious fruits and herbs (which simply means plants) all year round. Mormons do not preach vegetarianism; rather, using meat when it is needed for nutrients. Which isn't three times a day. In 1830, many folks had meat at each meal.<br />The basic idea of the Word of Wisdom is to eat good, wholesome foods, to avoid that which impairs your judgment or health, and to practice temperance in all things. Any person who chooses to follow these basic guidelines will enjoy greater health and vitality.<br />Thanks for letting me chip in on the conversation.littlemanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-15158560585867903312012-11-03T06:57:30.404-07:002012-11-03T06:57:30.404-07:00Another thing that influenced both the Mormons and...Another thing that influenced both the Mormons and the SDA was a thing called the Restorationist movement. This movement called for a return to 'primitive' Christianity. What this meant was a rejection of the historical creeds, an overemphasis on the Old Testament, and a feeling that the second coming woud be soon. A good Wikipedia article that explains the movement can be found here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/restorationistSteve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-62612303826127530922012-10-30T14:22:04.529-07:002012-10-30T14:22:04.529-07:00That's a very good insight. I knew the SDAs we...That's a very good insight. I knew the SDAs were vegetarian, but upon looking at their official Statement of Faith after you mentioned this I see they indeed have fallen into a form of the Judaizer heresy: <br /><br />Quote: "Along with adequate exercise and rest, we are to adopt the most healthful diet possible and abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures. Since alcoholic beverages, tobacco, and the irresponsible use of drugs and narcotics are harmful to our bodies, we are to abstain from them as well." <br /><br />We already know the SDAs have embraced the Sabbatarian error, but this quote raises the stakes so much further. To say Christians are to "abstain from the unclean foods identified in the Scriptures" is to subscribe to the Levitical dietary restrictions, despite the fact the Gospels say no food is unclean. And they also include the prohibition of alcohol and tobacco, despite the fact these are not forbidden in Scriptures. I like how they are against only "the irresponsible use" of drugs, as if they are in favor of "responsible use"? I would almost call Seventh Day Adventism "Cafeteria Judaism".Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-35999739204504046972012-10-30T11:36:50.923-07:002012-10-30T11:36:50.923-07:00The confusion in Mormon teaching about food and dr...The confusion in Mormon teaching about food and drink is very similar to that of the Seven Day Adventists. Both faiths in their early forms placed a great deal of emphasis on what was called heath reform. A lot of the so called "reform" was simply theories and speculations borrowed from various health crusaders that were popular during Smith and Mrs. White's lifetime. The only difference is that Smith and White passed off their health teachings as gospel and made it a part of their cults.h 2 erviepSteve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.com