tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post4906783409736934168..comments2024-03-15T09:07:15.798-07:00Comments on NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: Sola Scriptura Debate - Opening Essay by GerryNickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-2643030927439963682016-02-23T23:45:36.954-08:002016-02-23T23:45:36.954-08:00To be honest, I never would have thought that the ...To be honest, I never would have thought that the Christian doctrine is not a denial of the teaching authority of the church. Gerry's interpretation of what bible is supposed to teach is very interesting... Well, thanks for sharing anyway! Best regards, <a href="http://proof-reading.services/" rel="nofollow">the proof-reading.services high school and university video poetry scholarships</a><br />paulsmith198914@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01097862152097877690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-69105571757046510062013-04-17T15:32:01.898-07:002013-04-17T15:32:01.898-07:00I've been down that road numerous times. They ...I've been down that road numerous times. They just can't see it. They are not trained in basic Logic so they cannot recognize a textbook Fallacy when they see/commit one. <br /><br />I try to get them to see it by using an analogy with the book of Matthew. If all I have is Matthew, and I know it's inspired, that does not mean that there are no other inspired books out there. I cannot just assume Matthew is (a) sufficient, and (b) the only inspired book and wait for someone else to come prove there are other books out there. And yet that's what Protestants do, they assume a specific 66 books are all that's inspired and that they are sufficient just because nobody else can produce any other books.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-89637171407798011642013-04-17T11:57:15.583-07:002013-04-17T11:57:15.583-07:00Therefore, with the verses which we read from Scri...Therefore, with the verses which we read from Scriptures, clearly God’s authority has been written down in Scriptures alone which makes a man complete to do all His good works. Again, for Sola Scriptura to be refuted, my opponent must point to me another source of infallible rule of faith and morals.<br /><br />=======<br /><br />This is a typical tactic I see coming from protestants from James White down to Gerry.<br /><br />They assert a positive, i.e., "the Bible alone is sufficient to function as the infallible rule of faith and morals"<br /><br />then essentially accuse catholics of trying to get them to prove a negative i.e., there are no other pens like the unique one the protestant holds in his hands.<br /><br />But this burden is completely on the shoulders of the protestant since he is the one who is making both the positive and negative assertion for his position. A) Scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith and morals and B) There are no other infallible rules of faith and morals.<br /><br />If the protestant cannot prove A, then he cannot likewise prove B. It is one thing to say, 'There are not other infallible rules' and another thing to say 'I don't know of any other infallible rules'. If the protestant would have only asserted the latter, then the burden would be completely on the catholic. But since the protestant asserts the former, the burden is completely on him. Protestants who assert the former should just stop whining, and put their money where their mouth is, none the less.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05835428170978751832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-91596817641854512932010-08-18T00:31:35.502-07:002010-08-18T00:31:35.502-07:00The enumeration has been used by the Mormons, Jeho...The enumeration has been used by the Mormons, Jehovah's, Seventh Day, Unitarians or any individual however clownish he may be..(barrowing from Luther, inspired by the same Holy Spirit too).<br /><br />Their is an entity that Paul said in the Bible as the dependable source of truth in Christ's absence to speak for Him:<br /><br />1 Timothy 3:15<br /><br />"...God's household, which is the Church of the living God, the PILLAR and FOUNDATION of the TRUTH."<br /><br />When you say the words "PILLAR and FOUNDATION of TRUTH" it is what it is - not one's meaning of the "church" as a collection of differing churches who proclaims different truths according to their understanding of the Scripture. <br /><br />How could the Bible call the FOUNDATION OF TRUTH is the CHURCH, if the truth is just subjective to men or majority votes? (viz. gay-marriage, artificial contraception etc which by the way prior to 1930's ALLLL Christian Churches agreed that it was against the Will of God, what happened to the "truth" since then?)<br /><br />Jesus Christ only instituted and built ONE Church which is guided by His Holy Spirit and can not be overcome by the gates of Hell when He said:<br /><br />JN 16:13<br /><br />"Yet when the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into ALL truth. He will not speak on his own accord, but will speak whatever He hears and will declare to you the things that are to COME". (JN 16:13)<br /><br />Jesus said ALL, not one, two or three ....but ALL Truth (ALL means- wholeness, every one, fullness) from the DAY ONE until He comes back again. (NO GAP in history!. He will hold accountable those who lead their flocks over the edge.<br /><br /><br />I really don't think Christ just left us with copies of the Bible (400 years later) and figured out for ourselves.<br /><br />Peace.Jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08949794711507726903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-17965769738099206172010-08-12T22:15:02.856-07:002010-08-12T22:15:02.856-07:00If we all can agree to trust the Lord Jesus Christ...If we all can agree to trust the Lord Jesus Christ, we will find the answer to the most heated of debates.<br /><br />Please search the gospels and advise us where Jesus said that someone, something, an entity, a body, etc. is required to explain/interpret the Scriptures.<br /><br />If Jesus was not tasked with this teaching, it would seem bizarre; however, if that were the case, what Epistle or Book should I turn to where God will explain, through the writers, that though I am created in the image of God and sealed with the Holy Spirit yet I cannot do the following:<br /><br />1.) Read the whole council of Scripture to interpret what God is teaching on the topic contextually? <br /><br />2.) Pray to God for illumination<br /><br />3.) Do what the Bible says and look for (see) the fruit/evidence<br /><br />4.) Read other authors and commentators on the matter and allow the Holy Spirit to guide me.<br /><br />5.) Know, as a foundational rule, that God never contradicts Himself. If I think I see something contradictory, I need to deepen my level of study, including using Biblical Dictionaries, Lexicons, learning the native languages; and fasting to cleanse my spiritual pallet.<br /><br />---<br />No where does God say "There will be an entity that will need to interpret Scripture for you. Listen to what they say. You were made in my image but I didn't choose you to be able understand and commune with me in it. Even though I tell you that the Word of God is the Sword of the Spirit, that's only for those qualified to use it."<br /><br />That's not the kind of God I serve, I can tell you that with every fiber of my being.Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00829163380110028122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-83275544365781173772010-08-10T23:06:21.807-07:002010-08-10T23:06:21.807-07:00Gerry said, "God’s word in the Bible can be t...Gerry said, "God’s word in the Bible can be taught through the church. But do notice that when the church teaches, she makes use of the Scriptures."<br /><br />Wow, whose church was he refering to? teaching from Scriptures?<br /><br />Well, we could say that to others if not most protestant churches who have the same Bible as Gerry has and of course with the guidance of the same Holy Spirit who teaches that gay-marriage, artificial contraception, some forms of abortion etc. are morally and Biblically attuned. (viz. Evangelical Lutheran church,Anglicans, Church of Christ, Unitarians, Episcopalians, Presbyterians and a lot more independent evangelical churches).<br /><br />This is the problem with so called, "Sola Scriptura" and the END RESULT! Since evrybody is pope - chaos to which by the way is unheard of for 1,500 years of christianity until Luther came 500 years ago and what he said was very prophetic:<br /><br />MARTIN LUTHER:<br /><br />“There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit Baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams.”<br /><br />Peace.Jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08949794711507726903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-2234368080453871662010-08-10T08:16:37.619-07:002010-08-10T08:16:37.619-07:00http://www.carm.org/bible-alone-sufficient-spiritu...http://www.carm.org/bible-alone-sufficient-spiritual-truthChuck-n-Genevahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11054576225895387963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-47688174577505768942010-08-10T06:18:19.146-07:002010-08-10T06:18:19.146-07:00The opening essay by Gerry brings to mind the ques...The opening essay by Gerry brings to mind the question whether the prophetic sayings of Elijah were to be held by those who heard him and their descendants as God breathed? I guess not since these prophecies were not written down. The way Gerry uses Jesus' words in Matthew negate the propecies of Elijah, and thus the words of God Himself. This is how we know that Gerry's interpretation of that passage is wrong.costrowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08924527983856388624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-1694025186864377652010-08-10T00:58:48.040-07:002010-08-10T00:58:48.040-07:00Yes, I agree with "Scripture is infallible&qu...Yes, I agree with "Scripture is infallible" however your interpretation of what the bible supposed to teach is NOT!<br /><br />Any book written including the Bible can not make a decision and pass judgment of who's got it right or wrong.<br /><br />And since no interpretation is higher than anybody, a relativist mentality resulted in the protestant world.<br /><br />Is there any way to ever resolve the hermeneutical chaos and anarchy that exists within the Protestant church largely as a result of its adoption of radical individualism?Jaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08949794711507726903noreply@blogger.com