tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post1540269481375491539..comments2024-03-15T09:07:15.798-07:00Comments on NICK'S CATHOLIC BLOG: Can those folks "for whom Christ died" be damned? (1 Corinthians 8:11 & 2 Peter 2:1)Nickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-77562826597065085572013-03-22T07:22:19.346-07:002013-03-22T07:22:19.346-07:00Nick,
I posted another article responding to your...Nick,<br /><br />I posted another article responding to your misuse of 2 Peter 2:1 to deny Limited Atonement. <br /><br />http://fallibility.blogspot.com/2013/03/does-2-peter-21-deny-limited-atonement.html<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Mike TaylorMichael Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15959325406204766596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-1870867425808668782013-03-20T08:57:01.055-07:002013-03-20T08:57:01.055-07:00Nick,
I think you make an interesting point in th...Nick,<br /><br />I think you make an interesting point in this article. If you have the time, you might want to consider my full and detailed response to your take on the 1 Corinthians 8:11 part of it. (I'm not sure I'll have time for the 2 Peter part of it.)<br /><br />http://fallibility.blogspot.com/2013/03/what-does-it-mean-to-destroy-christian.htmlMichael Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15959325406204766596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-41769682349998134172013-03-18T09:44:11.790-07:002013-03-18T09:44:11.790-07:00It seems like Jason was not trying to address the ...It seems like Jason was not trying to address the main point of this post but rather trying to pontificate on different issues.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-33485505809241875452013-03-15T11:26:21.988-07:002013-03-15T11:26:21.988-07:00Hi Jason,
No, you're wrong. Man's nature...Hi Jason,<br /><br />No, you're wrong. Man's nature is fallen. But it is not Total Depravity.<br /><br />Jesus said of the little children:<br />Matthew 19:14<br />But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.<br /><br />Souls in heaven are not Totally Depraved. They are not depraved at all. They are souls of men made perfect:<br />Hebrews 12:22-24<br />King James Version (KJV)<br />22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,<br /><br />23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,<br /><br />24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.<br /><br />If unregenerate man were unable to choose to do good, Enoch would not have pleased God, Noah would not have been called righteous, Melchizedek would not have been called the Priest of God most high, Abraham would not have been forensically approved, etc. etc. Read Heb 11 and see the many, unregenerate Jews who pleased God by their faith and actions.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />De MariaDe Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997195004868253348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-49550616636538132332013-03-15T11:20:16.184-07:002013-03-15T11:20:16.184-07:00Steve Martin said...
Christ died for "the who...<b> Steve Martin said...<br />Christ died for "the whole world"...but not all that He died for will come to faith.<br /><br />Why not?<br /><br />Who knows. God knows.</b><br /><br />Surprise! We agree. Good answer Steve.De Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00997195004868253348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-80706507871373774752013-03-14T05:52:42.764-07:002013-03-14T05:52:42.764-07:00"man’s will is corrupted and in slavery to si..."man’s will is corrupted and in slavery to sin (John 8:34)."<br /><br />It is stupid for calvinists to use this verse:<br /><br />34 Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, geveryone who practices sin is a slave3 to sin.<br /><br />Everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin. Since all men practice sin,even those "elected and saved" are slaves to sin. <br /><br />So obviously, this is a metahpore saying no one can save himself apart from God's Grace. The question is so, does God give Grace to everyone or only to some. So our poster above just begged the issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-18988746178236683382013-03-13T02:13:21.305-07:002013-03-13T02:13:21.305-07:00It was God’s will for Mary to bear Jesus, not hers...It was God’s will for Mary to bear Jesus, not hers. Mary said to the angel – Thy will be done. Mankind “is spirtually” dead in sin after the fall of Adam and Eve and is unable to come to God in repentance and faith both of which God grants it. Salvation is of the Lord. Repentance and faith to believe comes from the Lord. Arminianists wrong believe man has a “free will” to make decisions to accept or reject. The scriptures do not support such teaching<br /><br />The Holy Spirit convicts, kindles, regenerates a man to realize he is a lost sinner and gives him the repentance and faith to believe the gospel. Look to the scriptures of how man can be made “spiritually” made alive. See Jonah 3:1-10, Ephesians 1:13, Acts 19:4. Why do Atheists don’t believe in God? Its because they are “spiritually dead”. Why do some people reject the gospel when they hear it? Because they are “spiritually dead”. See what GOD says in John 6:44, John 6:37, John 15:19, Romans 8:9.<br /><br />Jasonferns@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-91321873536172811012013-03-12T23:59:04.889-07:002013-03-12T23:59:04.889-07:00How Are We Free?
Let me say, however, that in one ...<b>How Are We Free?</b><br />Let me say, however, that in one sense we all have free will or free choice. What I mean by that is we all do whatever we want to do. We are free agents in this sense. When it comes to the everyday normal choices we make, we freely make those choices to do what we want to do. Although we are free beings and we freely choose to do what we want to do, we are not free spiritual beings. This is a very important distinction. When it comes to making decisions about God and the things of the Spirit, the unsaved do not have the free will spiritual ability to make those decisions. We are dead spiritually, as mentioned previously, which means we are dead or incapable of making free decisions of any spiritual good toward our Creator or our salvation.<br /><br />That ability has been totally corrupted by our sin nature. Sin destroyed our freedom of will to do right, and now we serve the lusts of our sinful flesh. At the fall of man, what was it that fell? It was the free will ability to equally choose good or evil with a view to pleasing God. Now we are left with an overwhelming predisposition and desire by our wills to do evil and sin against our Creator.<br /><br />So here is the truth of Scripture. Since the fall of man, there is no such thing as a free will spiritual ability or power to equally choose good or evil. Man’s inclination is to choose evil. Read again Paul’s comments in Rom. 7:14-25. Man’s will is corrupted and in slavery to sin (John 8:34). The unsaved individual does not understand the things of God and will not seek God with his spiritually dead will. The Scriptures are clear on this point. (Rom. 3:11-12).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-5568189388331124762013-03-12T09:10:41.713-07:002013-03-12T09:10:41.713-07:00Christ died for "the whole world"...but ...Christ died for "the whole world"...but not all that He died for will come to faith.<br /><br />Why not?<br /><br />Who knows. God knows.Steve Martinhttp://theoldadam.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-90013351649880179672013-03-11T09:22:19.956-07:002013-03-11T09:22:19.956-07:00Hello Chris,
I'm not sure if Devin addressed...Hello Chris, <br /><br />I'm not sure if Devin addressed your question, but it might be related to the question answered on an excellent article I read a few months back on an awesome blog: <br /><br />http://catholicdefense.blogspot.com/2012/08/perseverance-of-saints-v-great-apostasy.html<br /><br />Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-61432215690714404672013-03-11T09:09:33.735-07:002013-03-11T09:09:33.735-07:00Chris,
What do you mean exactly?
It is pretty si...Chris,<br /><br />What do you mean exactly?<br /><br />It is pretty simple. "I'm sure Christ died for me; you, I'm not so sure about." :)<br /><br />So those Protestants who "left" the Faith or believe in things I think are heterodox were never elect to begin with. Christ never died for them. They only appeared to be elect for a time.<br /><br />God bless,<br />DevinDevin Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706894435441471620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-28174777592291754682013-03-11T08:52:31.522-07:002013-03-11T08:52:31.522-07:00Devin,
Then how can this concept be reconciled wi...Devin,<br /><br />Then how can this concept be reconciled with the concept of "Limited Atonement" which is what this post began with?<br /><br />ChrisChris (Longmont, CO)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01165770738057751820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-28767081992317946782013-03-11T08:43:14.936-07:002013-03-11T08:43:14.936-07:00Chris,
They would agree that some Protestants hav...Chris,<br /><br />They would agree that some Protestants have apostatized and that's why their church has broken away from those others. They are the remnant, the faithful ones, and also the "church is always reforming".<br /><br />God bless,<br />DevinDevin Rosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706894435441471620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4588905705506605875.post-58288419499073939452013-03-11T08:29:45.514-07:002013-03-11T08:29:45.514-07:00There is one part about this entire set of argumen...There is one part about this entire set of arguments that has me the most confused.<br /><br />How can protestants claim to believe that Catholics had some sort of Great Apostasy around the 4th century ... and yet believe that they are incapable of having any sort of apostasy themselves?Chris (Longmont, CO)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01165770738057751820noreply@blogger.com